bush, you know, father and son figures, nixon, kissinger and all the rest." so there was some shock. the chinese have their preference would always be more of the same, whatever the american policy is. so they didn't like mitt romney because of this fairly crude anti- china threats, which he would never have carried out. they like the idea it's going to be a familiar team now with obama. and i think, interestingly, to telescope a long argument, the area of greatest continuity in u.s. foreign policy since the time of nixon has been our dealings with china. where, on the one hand, we think it's better if they grow than if they don't. on the other hand, we have all sorts of problems with them. i think that is the way obama has pursued it and will keep pursuing it. so i think they actually are relieved to have a second term. >> what do they want from us? >> they want essentially a chance to develop. i -- >> you mean develop economically? >> develop economically. and just to sort of breathe. when i lived in japan, i was quite alarmed, and remain so, about sort of